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JayPeg



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

So what is the scoop? Why did PBD achive all his caches?

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FoodNinja



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

all of them.  gone, this drops us below 1000 active caches again. wonder what is going on?

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polarbeardiggers



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

i've been told by a committee member that i have too many unquality caches out in circulation,thats all it takes for me to have this sport killed for my efforts,wish you all the very best on your future hunts and hides,the PolarBearDiggers are Officially Retired,.

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ChargerDad



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote


OH, the drama! PBD, you must not have been much of an avid Geocacher if you let ONE person's comment (intentional or not) make you want to give up the hobby.

I actually enjoyed most of your caches. Personally, I'm just not a big fan of micros. But to each their own.....

What I DON'T appreciate is having my email Inbox flooded with 200 of your emails saying that your caches have been archived and/or disabled -- just because you decide to throw a hissy fit.

Suck it up. Get thicker skin. Here's a Kleenex.

ChargerDad


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Ztirnats



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 3:43 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

I don't exactly agree with that sentiment ChargerDad.  It seems like someone on the Executive made it their point to criticize a fellow geocacher to the point of making PBD stop participating.  Now I we have only 6 caches out there, and the upkeep, maintenance factor on them is pretty high, I can only imagine what 136 caches would be like.  And without people putting caches out, there wouldn't be cachers.  I would like this executive member to step forward and tell us (the members) whether this was an executive decision to tell PBD that, or whether they acted on their own.  It is very vital that the community work together in duty and honour in order to keep our caches and cachers.  I am sure that there is a great misunderstanding at work here and hope that the feelings that have been damaged can be repaired.  Please can we get the other side of the story?



 





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junglehair



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

PBD - it is a shame if you completely give up caching over this.  I can understand that you would be upset about someone basically telling you that your caches are not good enough. I do hope that you plan to remove all the cache containers for your archived caches.  If not, please let me know and I could make that my winter project to go and remove them.  I don't think there is anything that could destroy this game more than just leaving a bunch of geotrash in the woods after the caches are archived.



I can see both sides of this story though.  I just got back from a trip to New York to attend one of the largest annual geocaching events there.  One of the biggest complaints that the people out there have, is that all the new caches are just lame micros.  And all the new cachers seem to think that that's what geocaching is all about.  One new guy was proud of the fact that he had a mission to get a cache at every dunkin' donuts location.  They have pretty much reached the saturation point there where all the nice parks and such already have caches, so it becomes more difficult to find places for new caches.  Instead of coming up with clever new ideas, they use any piece of "public" property and throw a micro there, whether it's a lamp post, a section of guiderail or even a dumpster in behind a mall!



This is very sad and disappointing for all the "old school" cachers.  Those of us that remember the days when geocaching was all about the great hikes to new and fascinating locations, and even caches that had actual trade items in them to look though.  Many of the cachers that started around the same time I did are now losing interest in the game because there are so few "good" new caches being placed.



I always thought it was interesting that the real pioneers of this game - those that started in 2000 or 2001 - almost all of them quit caching long ago.  It seems that to them, the game was like some sort of covert operation - like a secret society they all belonged to.  Once they game became mainstream, they lost interest.  Now the same thing is happening with the "second generation" cachers - those that started in 2002-2003.



I was very proud to be able to tell all the New Yorkers that while Manitoba may not have had nearly as many caches as they did, we still had quality caches.  We had lots of people that put out clever puzzle caches, or out in plain sight caches that can take you two or three trips just to finally figure them out.  I was proud to say we didn't have caches along every 10th of a mile section of guiderail, and under every lamp post in the city.



Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a lamp post or guiderail cache is necessarily bad.  I think they are perfect for roadside rest areas where you want to be able to get out of the car and stretch your legs for a bit, but you usually don't have time to spend hours searching for a well hidden cache if you're on a long road trip.  But just because there is a lamp post (or pine tree) available, it doesn't mean it needs to have a cache in it.  My personal opinion is that any one cacher shouldn't have more than about 15 or 20 caches placed.  Otherwise it's just too much to try to maintain them all.



I guess you could say that I have seen the future.  I know what this game becomes once all the "good spots" are taken.  I think the MBGA are doing a great job of trying to promote quality caches.  I would say that Manitoba is at a critical turning point now.  If we are careful, we can still avoid the degradation of the sport that has occured in many areas already.



 



 



 



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grnbrg



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

ztirnats wrote:

It seems like someone on the Executive made it their point to criticize a fellow geocacher to the point of making PBD stop participating.
(...)
I would like this executive member to step forward and tell us (the members) whether this was an executive decision to tell PBD that, or whether they acted on their own.



For the record, I've had no direct communication with PBD on this, or any other issue.

While there was some discussion of cache quality at the last board meeting, which was prompted by some of the (now deleted) posts in this forum, the discussion was was directed more at how to generally improve caches in the province. It was specifically noted that the MBGA Committee has no place criticizing any particular cacher's hides for any reason at all. We are not, and do not want to be the "Cache Police".

Individuals are free to have and express their opinions, but they should not be interpreted as having the weight of the "executive" behind them. While I do not know the specifics of what was said in this case, I would be surprised if any comments or criticism was implied to have such weight.


Brian Greenberg.
Vice President,
Manitoba Geocaching Association.

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grnbrg



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

ChargerDad wrote:
OH, the drama! PBD, you must not have been much of an avid Geocacher if you let ONE person's comment (intentional or not) make you want to give up the hobby.


This is the one point I agree with you on. Opinions are like butts. Everyone has one. And they're frequently full of crap.



What I DON'T appreciate is having my email Inbox flooded with 200 of your emails saying that your caches have been archived and/or disabled -- just because you decide to throw a hissy fit.

Suck it up. Get thicker skin. Here's a Kleenex.



That's not helpful.

And don't whine that you've got a pile of email, if you've watchlisted a bunch of caches, or requested notifications for particular actions. You got a bunch of email, because you requested it.

Suck it up. Get thicker skin. Here's a Kleenex. Unquote.


grnbrg
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Dragonfreys



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

polarbeardiggers wrote:




PolarBearDiggers are Officially Retired,.






Sorry to hear you are leaving geocaching PBD. We do hope you reconsider. The effort you have made to expand geocaching in the province is impressive by any standard.



What makes a cache a good cache is as varied as the people who participate. Our team enjoys an excuse to get out of the car on any trip, a good hunt when we can spend the time, finding and exploring interesting places and an impossible puzzle from time to time. The variety is a big part of the attraction for us.



That's probably why there are no quality rating systems for caches on geocaching.com. It would be like trying to rate food. Some people's beluga caviar is another person's repulsive fish eggs. There aren't so many caches in Manitoba that we would need to be exclusive so why not make the buffet as grand as possible.



Probably just talking out of our collective butt here, but this is our team's humble opinion.



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dani_carriere



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

I concur with everything that grnbrg has said.



At the last committee meeting, we had discussed concerns from PBD about the actions of some non-MB cachers visiting the area.  This was initially to make the committee aware of the incident.



Prior to the meeting, I had also contacted one of the visitors and asked for their feedback on our caches.  The response was not very positive.  It was at that point we decided it was interesting to get the feedback, but we weren't about to start policing how and where people cache.



We will talk about today's events at the next committee meeting as well.



I also invite anyone interested to join us in a casual gathering this evening at Jeffries Restaurant on 1420 Henderson Hwy (N49 56.729 W097 05.203) around 8:30PM.  This gathering is a chance to meet up with slippery_1 who is in town from The Pas, and meet with other cachers.  PBD, please come if you're available.



PBD, please reconsider leaving us.  I know that you and Little Diggers have enjoyed geocaching over the last few years, and you have played a major leadership role in getting our Association off the ground and increasing the number and quality of caches that we have.  We won't be the same without you.



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Peter and Gloria



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

It is unfortunate the Polarbeardiggers has decided to archive his caches (89 by my count). He had many excellent caches.



junglehair wrote:
















..... I do hope that you plan to remove all the cache containers for your archived caches.  ....... I don't think there is anything that could destroy this game more than just leaving a bunch of geotrash in the woods after the caches are archived......



 It extremely important that all the containers be removed. We'll discuss a plan of action at tonight's executive meeting in case PBD doesn't .



 



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TurdleEggs



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

PBD, if youve pulled out of caching Im very sorry because it seemed obvious to me that you and little digger enjoyed it very much.

Im responding to this thread in support of a hider whos put in many hours and a lot of miles to put out caches for the rest of us to find. With all hides, people will find some caches more interesting than others, but whats unexciting for one person, might put a big smile on the face of the next finder. Ive still only done about half of PBDs caches, but these are some of my favorites (in no particular order) and I certainly enjoyed finding all of them:

- Em-Bear-assed Cache
- The Bear Naked Cache
- PRIDE ROCK CACHE
- SNOOPYS CORNER 2 CACHE
- 512 mb PBD Cache
- THE OLD DOPEY CACHE
- THE OLD GRUMPY CACHE
- THE OLD BASHFUL CACHE
- THE OLD DOC CACHE
- Pocket  Pazone  Cache
- DAVE OSTER PARK CACHE
- PURPLE MARTIN CACHE
- Collector Edition 'S'
- Collector Edition ' L '
- Collector Edition ' C'
- penny's pegleg cache
- amuzing cache race

I think you were listening to finders feedback PBD, and it showed in your recent caches which I thought were quality hides in nice locations. I feel an absence today because the cachers of Manitoba have lost the opportunity find a lot of great caches.



-- Edited by TurdleEggs at 09:08, 2006-10-21

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slippery_1



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

ok first off PBD we have never met, but we have spoken and colaberated on a couple for things...I enjoy your humor and your wicked sence of devilry.



I would hope you don't take this too seriously because it is very apparent you enjoy this activity as much as I enjoy llearning and finding your caches.



A few comments do not make it unanniomous where everyone is opposed to the way or the quality of your caches, for example i just found turdlesoup and really enjoyed that one...so if nothing else do this for yourself...



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polarbeardiggers



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

i would like to say before cachers make plans on my behalf,that starting tmmr,i will be collecting my caches with my son,and do not require any help for recovery,obviously i can't do all of them in one day,but i'm sure in the next few days i will have quite a few of them,the ones i miss will be great outdoor exercise for the both of us,.so please do not remove my caches,they are archived and no longer pose a threat for others to place newer caches in those area's,i will not leave any of these caches as geotrash,thankyou,.

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candaceandwill



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PostPosted: Oct 20, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: RE: What happened to PBD's caches? Reply with quote

I would just like to say on behalf of Will and Myself that we will miss doing your caches...... We are both very sorry to see you go and that hopefully in time you will return to the great game of Caching

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