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Kabuthunk



Joined: 19 Aug 2006
Posts: 262
Location: Winnipeg

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 2:25 am    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

Oohh, that site is quite the informative.  Well... on the plus side, the cache that I'm working on pretty well fits the bill for the 'good' guidelines.  I'm pretty sure I fall into the "check the coordinates a dozen times, and spend a month building the cache to fit the area" type of hider :P



 



But... back to the point of the topic.  Has anyone heard from Master Instigator to find out what happened?



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Master Instigator



Joined: 19 Jan 2005
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Location: Winnipeg

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 3:46 am    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

I just want to clarify what happened so that the rumors don't get out of hand.  I have now been away from Geocaching for quite some time now, and lets just say that it is on a low priority list.  The long story short was I created a new cache that you would need to play a video game (that was modified for geocaching) in order to get the co-ordinates for the cache at the end.  I had placed it Nov.7th and it took about 3 to 4 days to get the no because I wanted to send the game file by email.  I had to go to the trouble of placing another cache that contained the cd's of the game to comply in order to get another email after it was all done that the cache does not meet new cache placement policies that are in effect but haven't been updated to the Geocaching site.  I had made the decision prior to the refusal that if eventually the cache was turned down I would give it up.  As for the shot at micros, it was solely for the fact that they are the most boring, lame and cheapest form of cache placements.  (Someone should have Wal-Mart stop giving film canisters out)  I think that if you want to make an interesting cache you have to lie and submit it as a micro and after its published go and re-edit the entire page to reflect exactly how you wanted it because unique is wrong.  And as for the deletion of all my finds, when I make a decision it's final not wishy-washy.  The deletion confirmed it because I cannot undo it.  When I finish adopting the two, and only two caches I will cut off all caching ties and prevent getting any further messages by  redirecting them to the poor sole who gets thousands of email daily at someone@hotmail.com Think of me what you will but I have finished with caching, had a blast not all good, but not all bad like it should be and I am ready to find something else I can wrap my mind around.  M.I. over and out.

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Dragonfreys



Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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Location: Manitoba-Westman

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

Actually, I've seen that very challenge with a unique puzzle cache in North Dakota where the guy has a very cool game that you need play in order to get the coordinates. They wouldn't let him publish it without providing another way of solving the puzzle (as some people wouldn't be able to potentially run the software, yada yada) so he put out an alternative method using some advanced calculus for people who didn't want to run the software.



Sounds like frustration to me and I hope it's not a decision you will come to regret down the road. We've enjoyed reading the adventures of Gumpy and your participation has added much to the Manitoba geocaching landscape. There is practically a line up of people hoping to tackle Untouchable before it is gone. I can't believe you are ready to let Wacko Willy fade into the forest, it is a Manitoba Must Do by most accounts.



I guess the shocking thing for me is that someone who drove all the way up to Kississing Lake and paddled 40 km to end up with two DNFs and posted a positive experience about the ordeal is ready to pack things in after a disagreement with a cache reviewer. If can happen to someone who seemed that passionate about geocaching, then it can happen to any of us.



All the best in your next hobby. It was a pleasure knowing you while you were here.



Dragonfreys



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junglehair



Joined: 05 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

Well, thanks for the explanation M.I.  It's a shame, but I know of others that are also fed up with the game being so bogged down with rules.  It certainly can be frustrating when you go to all the trouble of setting up a cache only to have it denied by the cache reviewer.  Especially one as complex as the one you described.  Thanks for all the great caches you provided in the past, and best wishes for the future.

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slippery_1



Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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Location: Manitoba

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 6:13 am    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

Well I am relativly new to this, and feel still very positively about this activity. I have found one of your caches and regardless it was fun going after someones cache I felt was an icon to this activity we have come to enjoy.



You are always mentioned very fondly whenever I speak with others in this province and your caches seem a challenge whenever anyone goes for them.



 



Regardless, your participation will be sadly missed...I can say this is very tragic news to those of us participating. I know you say thats it, adios, well I haven't seem you with the truck packed and rolling out of town, so I hope you might reconcider and hit the odd cache while you are still here. Heck I bet PBD even missed me, thats why he keeps coming back..



 



Ask anyone...once ya get to know me is to luv me....



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1Queenand4Jokers



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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Location: Manitoba

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

Loved your caches and the marvelous memories MI! Loved cracking the Gump/Master Instigator disguise. Loved meeting you and your wife and your son. Do you have another yet? I do appreciate that you started an Association - the best part (my opinion) being the well organized events and the MBGA coin/logo created. 



I've noticed that once I've met other cachers face to face and really think of them as real beings with feelings and personal lives, I don't find it as easy to criticize them.  



It is a lot of work to keep up caches (and we appreciate when others add logsheets or dry out a container for us) but I think as a family we'll hang in with the game. I think that if anyone has concerns about any of (our) caches or others it is best to keep it private and email directly to the cacher. This is a game where I tell my kids we all win.



Sorry to see you go and hope to see you return when your son (s) feels the sneaky urge to find hidden treasures (won't be long).  



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TurdleEggs



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 687
Location: Ste Genevieve

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: The brightest flame burns quickest. Reply with quote

To Master InstigatorGumpyDaniel:

As one of the “second generation” GeoCachers in Manitoba I very much appreciate all the groundwork you did in setting up the association and the enthusiasm you started with your well thought out and challenging caches. Your “secret identify” was an intriguing twist, and your legendary FTF races and challenges to PBD and others kept the game exciting. I’ve sifted through your past logs (now a collector’s item) just to read your stories. I can see that you’re the type of person that commits – either all in or all out - and I can certainly appreciate that priorities change and new challenges come along. You started caching in an era when subterfuge was paramount and GeoCaching was still very much an “underground” activity in Manitoba. You (and others) may be the victim of your own success though; GeoCaching’s grown so much in Manitoba it’s moved somewhat into the public domain and is becoming more of a social activity. Still quite enjoyable for me – but not where it started.

I certainly enjoyed reading about The-Stuntman’s and your grand finale cache (as it turns out), the Bent Elbow Expedition. I still look forward to following in your paddle-strokes one day – although perhaps in the summer :)

I’m sorry you ran into frustration with your gaming cache – I’m sure it would’ve been fun. I think there’s still room for interesting and difficult caches within GC.com’s guidelines, part of the challenge is in working around the obstacles (another fact of life).

The Turdle-femme and I are glad to have met yourself, Cherry Pie and Gumpy Jr. Best wishes on you future endeavors and we hope you find another activity that will challenge and entertain you as much as GeoCaching did.



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junglehair



Joined: 05 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

M.I.



I was thinking about this last night, and wanted to share one thought with you.  First of all, I am similar to you in that I am an all or nothing type personality as well.  For example, after receiving a particularly rude email from a cacher in NY once, I went and deleted all my previous finds of his caches, put all of his caches on an ignore list, and never had anything to do with him again.



I can understand your frustration over all the rules and regulations now in place at geocaching.com  I can also understand how this makes you fed up to the point of quitting the game.



However, by archiving all your existing caches, you are not really hurting geocaching.com - the ones that you are annoyed with.  Instead, you are taking something special away from the cachers of Manitoba - the people who obviously have a great deal of respect and admiration for you.  Please consider letting others keep that legacy alive for you.



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MHz



Joined: 20 Apr 2005
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Location: Morris

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

Thanks MI for taking the time to explain better what was going on. Perhaps your cache was the one that my new cache called De Cypher Cache was in conflict with until I moved mine which I was happy to do.

I wish you, CherryPie and Gumpy Jr. the very best and good luck with your future endevours. Gord and I will never forget the adventures we had finding your caches. Thanks for all you've done! MHz


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lizardo



Joined: 02 Sep 2005
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Location: Winnipeg

PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

UGH.  I feel horrible about this.  But, I recognize that Daniel is a grown man and very capable of making his own decisions.  I want to say that I thoroghly enjoyed the 6 M.I. finds I was able to make, and am sad that I will not have the opportunity to see others. 



Thank you for your considerable time and efforts in contributing to setting up the MBGA and promoting caching in the media.   I wish you well in whatever activities you and your family pursue in the future. 



Are you making plans to transfer responsibility of the moderating of these forums to one of the committee members? You can let Dani or myself know at your convenience.



Thank you, M.I.  I wish I had the chance to know you better, I imagine I could have learned a thing or two. 



Good luck.



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PostPosted: Dec 01, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

There's not much that I can say that hasn't already been said.



First thing that comes to mind is that I'm losing one of my hero's. But I must seperate the geocaching character from the man.



When I first started Master Instagator was a genius. The ideas conjured up in his mind gave me chills. I loved never truely knowing what to expect while looking for one of his caches. It was his caches along with Peter's unique styes that made me think about the caches I placed.



Gumpy, the Jeckel and Hyde alter ego, was a fierce competitor. He showed me that this pastime/hobby could be a sport. You had to be on I mean you needed to have a game face when it came time to go for the FTF, day or night.



Finally the man, Daniel. I made a friend in this silly game. I respect his dicision to step away from something that once ment quite a lot to him. I was able to get to know him a bit and I'm hoping to continue that friendship.



I myself have seen this game go from an adventure to a numbers game. How many caches do you really remember? I know that M.I's will be long remembered.



I know this is sounding like a eulogy. but this really is a loss.



I will miss the characters.



 



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MuStash



Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Posts: 107
Location: Winnipeg

PostPosted: Jan 10, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

M.I.



Thanks a million for the likes of "Manitoba Minutae", "Wacko Willy's ...", "Brains, Brawn and Beauty", and "Untouchable". The creativity and physical effort that you put in to make them are very much appreciated.



All the best to you and your family.



Whenever I see a new username pop up in a log I'll be hoping it's you sneaking back into the game.



Cheers



 



 



 



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ohmic



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Jan 12, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: RE: Master Instigator removing caches??? Reply with quote

junglehair wrote:






However, by archiving all your existing caches, you are not really hurting geocaching.com - the ones that you are annoyed with.  Instead, you are taking something special away from the cachers of Manitoba - the people who obviously have a great deal of respect and admiration for you.  Please consider letting others keep that legacy alive for you.








Even though I never met M.I. I find it unfortunate that new geocachers like myself will not have the chance to experience the great caches put out by or even the numerous ones placed by PBD for that matter. It is true that the people that will be affected the most are the new ones, the ones that are just getting into the game. Perhaps I haven't done enough geocaching but I don't try to rate caches or cachers. I just enjoy getting outside looking for those little containers, small or big, easy or challenging, and to me this is the essence of this activity. Going for the hunt is half the fun of finding the cache. Removing them only penalizes participants. Adoptions would have been a better alternative in my opinion as it would be a separation from the game by the cacher without a loss to the eager new participants.  



Hope to see some of those caches come back. I heard so much about them!



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